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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Diana Burgess 
January 16, 1998 
Cassette 1, Side 2 
 
 
Allison Card  00:03 
Now what's Mark's father's name?  
 
Diana Burgess  00:05 
Mark's father's name is Bill Jemison. That's J-E-M-I-S-O-N. 
 
Allison Card  00:10 
T-E-M-I-S-O-N. 
 
Diana Burgess  00:11 
Uh-huh.  
 
Allison Card  00:12 
And is that Mark's last name?  
 
Diana Burgess  00:14 
Yes.  
 
Allison Card  00:15 
And when was he born? 
 
Diana Burgess  00:23 
2/18, '66. 
 
Allison Card  00:26 
And where was he born? 
 
Diana Burgess  00:30 
Cleveland, Ohio. 
 
Allison Card  00:36 
And what's his place of residence? 
 
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Diana Burgess  00:39 
Oh, Washington, Pennsylvania.  
 
Allison Card  00:43 
Does he have children? 
 
Diana Burgess  00:46 
Two.  
 
Allison Card  00:46 
And what are their names? 
 
Diana Burgess  00:53 
Lateaya and Leticia. And Lateaya, you spell Lateaya, L-A-T-E-A-Y-A. And Leticia, always 
gotta look in the Bible, because I always want to put S and F's on it. It's L-E-T-I-C-I-A. 
 
Allison Card  01:16 
I-C-I-A? 
 
Diana Burgess  01:16 
Uh-huh.  
 
Allison Card  01:17 
Okay. So Lateayla-- Lateaya, first one? 
 
Diana Burgess  01:22 
Mm-hmm.  
 
Allison Card  01:22 
Mark, and what's-- who's her other parent? 
 
Diana Burgess  01:26 
Excuse me, Margret. 
 
Allison Card  01:28 
M-A-R-G-R-E-T?  
 
Diana Burgess  01:29 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Allison Card  01:32 
And their last name, all of them have Jemison? 
 
Diana Burgess  01:35 
Mm-hmm. 
 
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Allison Card  01:41 
And what was her date of birth? 
 
Diana Burgess  01:44 
Which? who?  
 
Allison Card  01:56 
Lateaya?  
 
Diana Burgess  01:57 
Lateaya? 
 
Allison Card  01:57 
Lateaya.  
 
Diana Burgess  01:58 
May 24, 1993. 
 
Allison Card  01:59 
And where was she born?  
 
Diana Burgess  02:00 
Washington, Pennsylvania.  
 
Allison Card  02:01 
And-- 
 
Diana Burgess  02:02 
--she resides now in Washington. 
 
Allison Card  02:03 
Washington, Pennsylvania, as well? 
 
Diana Burgess  02:05 
Yes. Yes. 
 
Allison Card  02:07 
And at four years old, assume she's not married. Now, how you pronounce it, Leticia?  
 
Diana Burgess  02:16 
Leticia.  
 
Allison Card  02:39 
Her parents are also Mark and Margret.  
 
Diana Burgess  02:40 
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Uh-huh. She was born June 8, '94.  
 
Allison Card  02:42 
And she was born in Washington, Pennsylvania? 
 
Diana Burgess  02:45 
Yes. 
 
Allison Card  02:45 
And she currently resides there as well. And so Margret is your-- Mark's wife, and does she go 
by Jemison as well? 
 
Diana Burgess  02:55 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Allison Card  03:02 
And how many times has he been married?  
 
Diana Burgess  03:04 
Once.  
 
Allison Card  03:05 
Do you know what date he was married? 
 
Diana Burgess  03:09 
September 12, '92. 
 
Allison Card  03:14 
And where at? 
 
Diana Burgess  03:16 
[Laughs] Washington, Pennsylvania.  
 
Allison Card  03:18 
Do you go back to visit much? 
 
Diana Burgess  03:21 
Uh-huh, every year.  
 
Allison Card  03:23 
And what's his occupation? 
 
Diana Burgess  03:26 
Laborer. 
 
Allison Card  03:30 
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Okay, James, what's his father's name? 
 
Diana Burgess  03:34 
James Edward Ward. James-- 
 
Allison Card  03:40 
--Edward-- 
 
Diana Burgess  03:41 
--Ward, W-A-R-D. James is the second.  
 
Allison Card  03:44 
And what was his date of birth? 
 
Diana Burgess  03:50 
8/3, '72. 
 
Allison Card  03:53 
And is James last name is Ward? 
 
Diana Burgess  04:00 
Uh-huh. 
 
Allison Card  04:06 
And where was he born?  
 
Diana Burgess  04:08 
Washington, Pennsylvania. 
 
Allison Card  04:10 
And is he married?  
 
Diana Burgess  04:11 
No.  
 
Allison Card  04:11 
Has he ever been married? 
 
Diana Burgess  04:13 
No. 
 
Allison Card  04:13 
Okay, what's his occupation?  
 
Diana Burgess  04:16 
Student-- oh, he's assistant coach. 
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Allison Card  04:21 
Yeah. 
 
Diana Burgess  04:24 
For the Cougars [laughs]. 
 
Allison Card  04:28 
That other team. 
 
Diana Burgess  04:30 
I couldn't resist it, so Wazzu. Uh-huh. I never knew what Wazzu was, until Tony was-- went to 
Pullman. Okay. 
 
Allison Card  04:44 
And so, where does he reside? What city?  
 
Diana Burgess  04:47 
James? 
 
Allison Card  04:48 
Yeah.  
 
Diana Burgess  04:48 
Pullman. 
 
Allison Card  04:49 
He is in Pullman, okay. And no children? 
 
Diana Burgess  04:54 
No. 
 
Allison Card  05:00 
Okay. Skip through that part. So no great-grandchildren, either.  
 
Diana Burgess  05:04 
No, not yet.  
 
Allison Card  05:05 
Okay, do you want to describe your education?  
 
Diana Burgess  05:14 
Oh, wow. Now, we're talking grade school? 
 
Allison Card  05:20 
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We can go into grade school now if you want, or you can talk about college and we can do grade 
school later. But whatever education you've had, experiences that you've had. 
 
Diana Burgess  05:32 
Experiences, I'm always thinking of something horrible, because I'm thinking about when I 
started school in Washington, Pennsylvania, grades one through five-- no, grades one through 
four. I was in a predominantly-- in fact, it was all Black grade school. And from grades five until 
I graduated then that's when I was basically intregated-- intra-- intra-- help me, intragated? 
 
Allison Card  06:12 
Yeah, integrate. 
 
Diana Burgess  06:13 
Doesn't sound right. 
 
Allison Card  06:14 
It sounds weird now, now I have it in my head kind of strange too. 
 
Diana Burgess  06:17 
So, but-- 
 
Allison Card  06:20 
--integrated. 
 
Diana Burgess  06:21 
Yeah-- 
 
Allison Card  06:21 
--integrated. 
 
Diana Burgess  06:22 
Intra-graded. There it is. But um... 
 
Allison Card  06:26 
How did you feel the first-- grades one through four, with it being predominantly Black? 
 
Diana Burgess  06:32 
I-- well, actually, I didn't really know that there was a-- I hate to say, it sounds like I'm sheltered, 
but I just never knew that there was a difference, or I never knew that something was wrong. I 
say wrong looking back now, but growing up, I didn't even comprehend wrong. I just thought 
that's just how it was. You know, we had our neighborhood school, and--  
 
Allison Card  07:03 
--and by wrong, you meant just because of... 
 
Diana Burgess  07:06 
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The segregation. 
 
Allison Card  07:07 
Yeah. 
 
Diana Burgess  07:07 
And instead of everybody being equal. I just didn't have any idea. It was almost like living with 
my head in the ground. I just didn't know until, you know, as I've gotten older, and-- 
 
Allison Card  07:22 
--how did it feel then, when you started? 
 
Diana Burgess  07:24 
It was fine, because it wasn't like how you read about, like down in the South, it was basically-- 
like, I said, if you lived in that neighborhood, you went to the neighborhood schools, and just so 
happened that we lived in a predominantly all Black neighborhood, you know. And when we 
moved from out of that neighborhood into a more or less mixed-- well, yeah, I want to say 
mixed, I don't really like saying Black and white. 
 
Allison Card  08:03 
You mean just other sort of, like, ethnic groups brought together. 
 
Diana Burgess  08:06 
Yes, exactly. It was like-- there was no difference. I think the first time I ever felt discriminated 
against, I was in labor with my first child in Cleveland, Ohio, because I was in a segregated 
hospital. 
 
Allison Card  08:24 
How did you feel discriminated by? What happened? 
 
Diana Burgess  08:27 
Because I got up to-- I went to the nursery to see my oldest child, Mark, and I was looking 
around at all the little babies, and I just innocently said, Well, gee, where are the white babies? 
And it was like people's heads turned as if to say, Where have she-- where did she come from? 
Where, I just never seen that. I've never was up against that until, you know, like I said, I was in 
the hospital with my first child, and that kind of bothers me to this day. I don't-- I can't say too 
much about the state of Ohio. I know that's small-minded, but I mean, that was 1966, and it was 
really the first time that I was up against that separate, that segregation.  
 
Allison Card  09:18 
The people who you said looked at you, were they [?Caucasian?]. 
 
Diana Burgess  09:21 
The other black-- no, those other black parents. And then I found out, as I've gotten older, 
Cleveland was predominantly people that had came up from the South, you know, in search of 
factory jobs. So maybe it wasn't odd to them, because coming up from the South, it was a issue 
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of, you know, whites or blacks only, you know. So I guess it didn't really matter to them. That's 
probably why they looked at me like, Where does she come from? But, you know, coming from 
Pennsylvania, I just-- I don't know. I sometimes think I was raised in a sheltered world, you 
know, so. 
 
Allison Card  09:21 
Do you see that as being a positive thing or a negative thing? 
 
Diana Burgess  10:10 
I think negative. Yeah, I think negative because it's like you're viewing the world through, just 
through a glass window. You know, you see or you hear of things, but how can you relate unless 
you actually live something, go through it, and that-- that's-- but it'll come up later in our 
interviews. My main reason for coming out of Washington, Pennsylvania, you know, just for 
growth. To see what the world was really about, to live this label, quote, unquote, that my family 
had on me. You know, it-- 
 
Allison Card  10:54 
--what kind of label did you feel you had on there? 
 
Diana Burgess  10:58 
Just like, Oh, she's so timid, or like I was so weak or, Oh poor Diana, you know that, And-- 
 
Allison Card  11:06 
--why do you think they would think that? 
 
Diana Burgess  11:09 
I think because they were very overly protective of me. They always had been, from stories that 
they would tell me, you know about us growing up. How they would always want to protect me 
from my dad, because he was very strict, you know, he believed in those whippings, you know, 
like, The whippings will begin when you do something wrong, and they would, all the time, tell 
me that they would take my beating so my dad wouldn't beat me, or, you know, just-- Well, let's 
help Diana. Just like, I couldn't really function for myself.  
 
Allison Card  11:49 
How did that make you feel back then? 
 
Diana Burgess  11:51 
I hated it. Oh, I hated it. I hate it. I hated that concept of me. It was like, I'm living in this house 
with five siblings and they don't even know me. They don't have a clue as to just how strong of a 
woman I am. And now that I'm all the way across the United States of America, I think they've 
finally given me that respect that I wish Dad could have had. 
 
Allison Card  12:23 
So, do you think that's part of the reason you came across, [?for?] the show of your strength?  
 
Diana Burgess  12:28 
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Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I think too, it was the best thing that I've ever done in my life for me, 
because I was raised where being a single parent and having two male children to raise, where 
they kind of are the target, you know, the target segment. I was rough with them, but at the same 
time, I felt I was very encouraging to them. And that's not something that you can just pick up 
and read in a book. It has to come from within. So, I just kind of didn't give myself a lot of 
credit. I kind of bought into that Oh poor Diana syndrome that I was getting from my family, and 
coming out here, I was able to shed that skin, if you will, and find out who I really was. 
 
Allison Card  13:27 
Let's talk about your trip from going from there to [?over?] here. Seems like that's major thing. 
 
Diana Burgess  13:34 
It's a major turning point in my life. I was working at the Washington Hospital as a-- 
 
Allison Card  13:42 
--how old were you? 
 
Diana Burgess  13:46 
Um, I've been out here 13 years, so you just have to subtract that 13 from 51 and that'll give you 
my [inaudible] age. So what is that? 37? 
 
Allison Card  13:59 
38. 
 
Diana Burgess  13:59 
Uh-huh. So isn't that wild? But anyhow, I was working at the Washington Hospital. The wages 
for that type of work was good. I was not making $10, but something maybe $7.50, which was 
good money back then, but we had-- we were union. We had just gotten over a bad strike. So 
instead of working 40 hours, they cut my work down to, like, 16 hours, and that was not enough 
hours to support my children.  
 
Allison Card  14:38 
So you had your children at that time.  
 
Diana Burgess  14:40 
Yes. We sent my sons, except for the first year when I came out here, I-- James stayed with his 
dad because I didn't know what I was going to get into. I didn't know the people that I would be 
staying with, just what kind of lifestyle they were, and I was always particular. Poor, but 
particular as to where I lived, I would rather do without, so that my sons could be in a different 
environment than living in a project. And of course, it caused me never to have good credit, but I 
could say I have two strong, decent young men walking around, and to me, that's more important 
than good credit anytime. But anyhow, I'm-- 
 
Allison Card  15:28 
--38 years old. You're working over there, and your wages got cut-- or your hours got cut. 
 
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Diana Burgess  15:33 
Yeah, and one of my childhood friends was home visiting his grandmother. He is a male, we 
were just very good friends.  But we were talking, and he knew the situation about Washington, 
Pennsylvania, and he just made the statement, Well, why don't you come out to Seattle? Just 
come out and look around. He said, You might get out there and decide you like it. What do you 
have to lose? You have some place to stay, and I'll help you get on your feet. So, I thought about 
it for a whole year, and I decided, Okay, what do I have to lose? So I announced to my family, 
and of course they thought, Oh gosh, here Diana is. She's acting crazy. It was to the place I had 
to act out because it was like nobody was listening to me. But we'll talk about that too. I said I'm 
moving to Seattle, and no one really believed me. So then, when I started having yard sale and 
selling furniture out of the house, all the things that Mark and James didn't want. And then they 
finally said, Well gosh.” 
 
Allison Card  15:33 
How did you feel when they didn't believe you?  
 
Diana Burgess  16:05 
I didn't care. My mind was made up. It was like, almost like a revelation. This is something 
you've got to do. You're going to do this. I just felt that it was right. It's time for you to go. So I 
did. I got on that plane and I was scared, because it was like-- I was scared, but I wasn't petrified.  
 
Allison Card  17:14 
Is this the first time you had left Washington, Pennsylvania? 
 
Diana Burgess  17:17 
By myself, yeah. Yeah. When I was-- when I was married, James's father, when I was married, 
and when we broke up, I went to live in Boston two years with my sister. See what I'm saying?  
 
Allison Card  17:29 
Yeah.  
 
Diana Burgess  17:30 
So, but this is the first time I-- it was like, busting out, busting loose, you know? Oh, I'm-- 
 
Allison Card  17:36 
--how did it feel?  
 
Diana Burgess  17:38 
Exciting. I was ready for it. I just knew, Boy, I'm going to do-- I'm going to do something in this 
place. I didn't have a clue as to what I was going to do, but I said, Gee whiz, I'll wash dishes. I 
know I can find something. So I came here. 
 
Allison Card  17:55 
And did you bring both your sons-- 
 
Diana Burgess  17:57 
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--no-- 
 
Allison Card  17:57 
--or just-- 
 
Diana Burgess  17:58 
--my oldest son, he-- this is a different story, too. He was that rebellious teenager. He didn't want 
to go to school. He was skipping school, getting caught up with drugs-- and not bad drugs, 
smoking, marijuana, wanting to drink beer and not go to school, just typical boy stuff. Wanting 
to mouth off constantly with me, and I just made him go stay with his dad's mother in a small 
town. It was-- it would be almost like Pullman to Seattle, because there was nothing to do. 
Nothing but to go to school and come home. But he came home every weekend, and of course, 
he came home every summer and stayed. But... let's see, I tried to get him to come because he 
had graduated from high school. And in fact, it was a week after he graduated from high school 
that I did my trip. So it was June that I came out to Seattle, Washington. But anyhow, when I got 
here, I-- it was, God, it was like paradise, because it must have been the best weather ever, 
because it wasn't raining, because everyone said, Oh, you're going to hate it, it rains constantly. 
Every day it rains and, you know, but it was beautiful. And then when I seen that mountain, it 
was like-- it was-- to me, it was like beholding God. I've never seen something so magnificent. 
So, I was speechless when I first saw it. I thought it was a cloud. Well, I've never saw a snow cap 
mountain. And I'd-- and I kept saying to my roommate, What's-- that cloud's not moving, that 
cloud's not moving. And then he laughed, and that's when he said, Oh, well, you know, that's the 
mountain. I still couldn't get the concept. I couldn't understand how every place I went, that 
mountain was there. I just couldn't concede how big, you know, how tall that mountain was. I 
know it's kind of like, hillbilly coming to city looking at a skyscraper, well, that's just how I felt 
looking at Mount Rainier, but I fell in love with it. And I said, I knew. I said, Well, I think I'm 
going to be in this state for the rest of my life. And I hope that when James gets out here, that he 
would like it. So... But anyhow, I got a job working in a nursing home in Puyallup for $3.75. 
 
Allison Card  20:55 
Was this something that had interest you? 
 
Diana Burgess  20:59 
No, I just knew that I had that experience, and I said, Oh, I could get a child working in a 
hospital, but it was like reality. It was like, you're not going to be working in a hospital. You 
better try for a nursing home. That was very depressing for me, because it was-- not so much, 
because they didn't have any good pay, but it was how they treated the patients. It was like they 
forgot that these are human beings. I've just never seen anything like that, ever in my life.  
 
Allison Card  21:30 
How are they treated? 
 
Diana Burgess  21:32 
Like they weren't human. Like they would lay in their feces all day, and some of them would not 
even get washed and-- or fed, or any type of personal grooming. It just depressed me, so much to 
the point, I mean, I left from there and I found a job right here in Tacoma, just right up the street. 
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It was a little better, the pay was a little better, but eventually I just came to grips that I needed to 
go back to school. And at that time, I thought I was going to pursue nursing, become a registered 
nurse. So I thought, Boy, that's something that I want to do, because I have all this compassion. 
But when I started taking classes at Tacoma Community College, I-- and I'm glad I was trying to 
do two things at one time, I was doing my pre-reqs for the nursing program, and I was doing just 
requirements to get an associates, which, in case something didn't pan out. And I'm so glad that it 
worked out that way, because I kept saying, No, I'm going to be a nurse. I'm going to be a nurse. 
Well, I'm not Einstein, but I just could not comprehend that chemistry. I could not understand 
what he was talking about, an atom, something that I could not see. And I'm too visual. I have to 
see. I said, You have to show me an atom. Where is it? Point to me and maybe I can understand 
it. And he kept saying, No, Diana, you cannot see an atom. You have to understand the concept. 
Well, forget it. After that, I just said, I just-- I don't get it. I don't get it. And then, I was doing my 
anatomy and physiology. Oh, my God! This is truly a wonderful body God has created. But I 
couldn't get the ankle bone. I couldn't tell you any different from ankle bone than a wrist. I mean, 
I know I'm exaggerating, but I mean, it was almost that bad. And I would memorize it, and I 
would learn how to spell something frontwards and backwards. And I said, Yeah, I could know 
what that was on sight. Well, little did I know that the test would be bones on this table, and 
bones on that table, and you had to walk through, pick them up, look at it, and write down what it 
was. Well, needless to say, I said, Well, I'm working too hard for something that I thought was 
my true passion. So I knew nursing just wasn't for me. But to top it off, I seen that cadaver, and 
they was pulling-- it was like the color of brown leather, and it was pulling layers back and 
looking at organs that was just preserved. Well, I couldn't take that. I just-- listen, will you have 
to touch? No, I'm not touching nothing dead. You know, that dead. So I had to rethink. I had to 
rethink and say, Well, Diana, you have to come to grips. You're not stupid, and that's kind of 
what was beat into me, you know, like from my father, who was a brilliant man. 
 
Allison Card  25:11 
Did your family know what was going on during this time? 
 
Diana Burgess  25:14 
No. No. 
 
Allison Card  25:16 
But you still felt, or tried to-- have in your head what they had told you. 
 
Diana Burgess  25:21 
Oh yeah, I had a struggle with that. And then, if it wasn't the sciences, and I mean, I did okay in 
biology, I aced that because I love biology, that was a whole different story than talking about 
my body. Isn't that weird? I mean, you'd think you would know more about your body than 
biology, like plants and animals, but I was more interested in that than I was my body. But it was 
math that was like, the worst. I took Math 90 and I got, like, a D and I kept thinking, Now, why 
is this so hard? When I would go in and take a test, I would just be to the place-- well, when the 
teacher would be going over telling me what I did wrong, I, a grown woman, I would be up there 
crying, so he suggests that, I think you got a math anxiety, and put me in this math anxiety class, 
which was great, because that really helped me. It really helped me. Made me realize what I was 
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doing. It was like I knew that, but I would be so upset, and so nervous, and tense that I would 
just would block everything out, I couldn't tap into my knowledge. 
 
Allison Card  26:46 
Right, so how are you feeling? You had a lot of changes in schooling then. I mean, from certain 
classes to other things. How did you feel through all that? 
 
Diana Burgess  26:54 
I was beating myself up, telling myself, Well, I guess your family was right. You are that stupid, 
so-and-so that your dad used to say you were, you know. I had to go through that. It was terrible. 
It was terrible. And there's a special lady, I won't say who she is, not yet, but she kind of seen 
that I was real timid. And if you'd have see me then, and to see me now, you would say that's not 
the same person. I was real timid, kind of meek and kind of talking, [squeaks], you know, real 
low. You know, like, Oh, I'm the scum of the earth. Don't talk to me. You know, I had no self 
esteem whatsoever. None, except for when it comes to, you know, fussing at my son, saying, 
You get them grades or no football. That type. And I could never understand that. I thought, 
Well, what is wrong with me? You know, I thought-- 
 
Allison Card  27:57 
--have you felt that way your whole life? A very low self esteem? 
 
Diana Burgess  28:01 
Oh yeah, because my sisters, they were all-- I know this is gonna be hard for you to understand. 
They were all high yellow, and they all had that blowing silky hair. And here I come, the brown 
one with the kinky, nappy hair, you know? Or the one that everybody-- all through high school, 
the principal said, Oh yeah, you're that Burgess girl. I know you're going to be smart like your 
sisters were. Allison, I cut up in high school. I was the Charlie Brown. I skipped school, I picked 
fights. I was just trying to be everything that my sisters were to the school, I said, I'm tired of 
everybody labeling me somebody that I'm not, and not that. I really was wanting to cut up and be 
the Charlie Brown type person in school. I just wanted people to give me a fair chance. You 
know, see Diana. Don't see Vicky, Sandy, Carolyn, and on, and on. See Diana, and it was like 
nobody was seeing that.  
 
Allison Card  29:03 
Did you feel, when you came up to Seattle, people were finally able to see Diana. You're no 
longer being [inaudible]. 
 
Diana Burgess  29:10 
Yeah, I was no longer associated with my sisters. It was like I could just be myself. And I never 
thought for a moment that I was a bad person. But I just always thought that my sisters were 
better than me, you know, really. And now, I find out that they're not better than me. They might 
have more material things, but by far, there's nobody better than me, and I finally learned that, 
so... 
 
Allison Card  29:41 
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So what did it take for you to learn that? Because you went from the point in school where you 
said your self-esteem was just-- 
 
Diana Burgess  29:48 
--getting past those hard classes that I was taking and getting into things that I really liked, like 
the philosophies, and the English, the writing, and just working with the instructors and the 
students, I felt like, Well, gee, I have some intelligence, or how am I conversing with the 
instructors? How am I, you know, I had to reason things for me to really see it. I have to see 
things in black and white. And then I just realized, Diana, you're-- not by any means are you 
stupid. And then graduation, when I got that little AA, that-- I got that little degree, I said, Look 
at me now. I felt-- it was the third-- fourth happiest day of my life. I just felt like going Yeah! 
Like, yeah, I can do this. 
 
Allison Card  30:53 
So, would it be correct to say that you, as soon as you found things that you could do, that there 
was other skills that you could do as well as other people could. 
 
Diana Burgess  31:03 
Yes, absolutely. 
 
Allison Card  31:04 
Then you finally started to feel better. And did you hear your, kind of father's voice less and less 
in your head? 
 
Diana Burgess  31:10 
Mm-hmm. One thing and-- [tape cuts off]. 